Krauthammer on the truth of Bush's war in Iraq, Obama's abandonment of that victory, and Hillary's position on the current war in Iraq . . . . whatever that position might be.

Ramadi falls. The Iraqi army flees. The great 60-nation anti-Islamic State coalition so grandly proclaimed by the Obama administration is nowhere to be seen. Instead, it’s the defense minister of Iran who flies into Baghdad, an unsubtle demonstration of who’s in charge — while the U.S. air campaign proves futile and America’s alleged strategy for combating the Islamic State is in freefall.
It gets worse. The Gulf states’ top leaders, betrayed and bitter, ostentatiously boycott President Obama’s failed Camp David summit. “We were America’s best friend in the Arab world for 50 years,laments Saudi Arabia’s former intelligence chief
 
Note: “were,” not “are.”

We are scraping bottom. Following six years of President Obama’s steady and determined withdrawal from the Middle East, America’s standing in the region has collapsed. And yet the question incessantly asked of the various presidential candidates is not about that. It’s a retrospective hypothetical: Would you have invaded Iraq in 2003 if you had known then what we know now?
First, the question is not just a hypothetical but an inherently impossible hypothetical. It contradicts itself. Had we known there were no weapons of mass destruction, the very question would not have arisen. The premise of the war — the basis for going to the U.N., to the Congress and, indeed, to the nation — was Iraq’s possession of WMD in violation of the central condition for the cease-fire that ended the 1991 Gulf War. No WMD, no hypothetical to answer in the first place.

Second, the “if you knew then” question implicitly locates the origin and cause of the current disasters in 2003 . As if the fall of Ramadi was predetermined then, as if the author of the current regional collapse is George W. Bush.

This is nonsense. The fact is that by the end of Bush’s tenure the war had been won. You can argue that the price of that victory was too high. Fine. We can debate that until the end of time. But what is not debatable is that it was a victory. Bush bequeathed to Obama a success. By whose measure? By Obama’s. As he told the troops at Fort Bragg on Dec. 14, 2011, “We are leaving behind a sovereign, stable and self-reliant Iraq, with a representative government that was elected by its people.” This was, said the president, a “moment of success.” 

 . . . . . . . . . .    The current collapse was not predetermined in 2003 but in 2011. Isn’t that what should be asked of Hillary Clinton? We know you think the invasion of 2003 was a mistake. But what about the abandonment of 2011? Was that not a mistake?

You will want to read all of Krauthammer's fine article,  here.   

11 comments:

  1. "it’s the defense minister of Iran who flies into Baghdad, an unsubtle demonstration of who’s in charge"
    ... do you think this would be happening if Saddam was in charge and Bush hadn't crewed up the balance of power in the Middle East?

    Maybe Krauthammer should get a reality check on what it would cost for 100,000+ US troops in Iraq for decades to maintain order. Would you give u your Medicade for that? I didn't think so.

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    1. The readership should know that the best estimates for establishing and maintaining peace in Iraq is 10,000 to 20,000. The cost is not the issue. Billions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of lives have been lost since Obama declared Iraq to be "sovereign, stable and self-reliant." Anonymous with her "100,000" troop number, is simply making up stuff. Understand that 15,000 troops in Iraq would match the ISIS command in that country, and that force (ISIS) would be no match for an American force of 5,000 men.

      Should we stay in Iraq until things become normalized? Well, we stayed in Japan for 12 years and are still in Germany.

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    2. HAHAHA You have got to kidding me? 10,000 troops in Iraq would make nothing but a nice war ... that would have to be escalated because US troops would come under attack. More death, downward spiral. That sounds like a typical Republican course of action. 10,000 troops would be barely enough to keep the peace in Baghdad ... a city of almost 4 million.

      BTW slick... you might be interested to know that NYC alone has a uniformed police force of 34,000... and you expect a US force of 10,000 to keep an entire country the size of Iraq stable.

      Wow.

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    3. The NYPD is not a military force. Our soldiers in Iraq, if sent there, would only fight against ISIS. You think that one ISIS killer is as effective as one member of our special forces? Good grief. Obviously you know nothing about our military. Look what we did with Iran's special forces, beat the hell out of them in a matter of days. If we were allowed to actually fight, we could rid the country of ISIS in a matter of weeks . . . . no question.

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  2. Sorry Krauth, but you and the GOP can't spin your way out of the Iraq lies that you told the American people, Congress, the United Nations and the world. And you can't spin the fact that GOP Bush administration fired the Iraq Army, which directly led to the formation of ISIS. And you can't lie your way out of the fact that the GOP sent the American and global economy into the worst recession since Herbert Hoover. All the while, Republicans handed out massive tax cuts to the filthy rich.

    The GOP (Going Obsolete Party) can only win state and local elections by resorting to voter suppression and gerrymandering, and by using 'dark money' to launch attack ads 24/7. But you can't win a national election any more. Your 'brand' is poison to the poor and middle class across America. You cost us millions of jobs, won't help improve our healthcare system, won't support much needed infrastructure, refuse to pass comprehensive immigration reform, and continue attempting to blur the line separating Church and State. Adios!

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  3. This is the crux of the situation:

    Yes, Obama was wrong in declaring a 'victory' ... no question.

    If the victory required a permanent and gigantic US military presence, it NEVER was a victory in the first place. This is what conservatives fail to realize - time and time again. Why are they so stupid?

    Saddam was evil incarnate, but Iraq was not governable by anyone other than a strongman. Now we're starting to see why...

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    1. "Victory" is always a dynamic reality. That is why we needed to leave a residual force after our victory. Your "logic" would have us deny our victory in WW II in Japan because we left a residual force there for 12 years. Ditto for your "logic" as to Hitler's Germany, we our residual force never left that country. Try to keep up.

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    2. So you're in favor of a GOP candidate that would put a permanent occupying force in Iraq?

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    3. A permanent residual force that could be reduced 15,000 over time, a residual force with recon capabilities, a stabilizing force in a region that needs leadership, a force that would be welcomed by Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt ?

      Yes.

      Understand that such a force would not be an occupying force, if you mean, by that pejorative, an "occupying force" that would be political in nature, co-opting the oil fields to US ownership, and imposing its will on the people of Iraq. Such would be what you flower power people will chant, but that is not the doctrine of anyone wanting to help bring peace to the region.

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  4. Let's put it to a vote, shall we? Everyone who wants to send our troops back into Iraq to fight and die for people that we'll have to fight and kill after they turn sides next year, vote for the GOP candidate. All Republican candidates prepared to commit the US ground forces necessary to defeat ISIS please step forward.

    Bush signed the withdrawal agreement. Blame him, or just understand that when we took down the strongman Saddam we created a great breeding ground for terror.

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    1. Since your side cannot run on Obama's accomplishments, It looks like we are going to factor in Iraq and a residual fighting force in the coming election. Fine with me. 60% of Americans would support such a residual force. In Dec of 2011, Obama said that Iraq was secure. Since then, the place has blown up. In other words, Bush won the war and Obama has forfeited that victory . . . . period.

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